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	<title>Comments on: What can journalism learn from I Can Has Cheezburger?</title>
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	<description>Entrepreneurial journalism and what&#039;s next for news</description>
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		<title>By: David Elks</title>
		<link>http://www.journalism20.com/blog/2009/07/23/what-can-journalism-learn-from-i-can-has-cheezburger/comment-page-1/#comment-10173</link>
		<dc:creator>David Elks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the comments above demonstrates that there will always remain a case for a hyperlocal patch reporter.

While curating will become an increasingly important skill for a journalist, as Jerry says, there is a level at which there simply isn&#039;t enough connected individuals online to generate the information stream through which to sift.

In the city in which I live in England, there is a growing network of people out there, but it&#039;s simply not strong enough to rely upon in creating stories. 


And as Michael says, the journalist will still have to rely upon digging out and presenting stories regardless of what opportunities are presented using new technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the comments above demonstrates that there will always remain a case for a hyperlocal patch reporter.</p>
<p>While curating will become an increasingly important skill for a journalist, as Jerry says, there is a level at which there simply isn&#8217;t enough connected individuals online to generate the information stream through which to sift.</p>
<p>In the city in which I live in England, there is a growing network of people out there, but it&#8217;s simply not strong enough to rely upon in creating stories. </p>
<p>And as Michael says, the journalist will still have to rely upon digging out and presenting stories regardless of what opportunities are presented using new technology.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Andersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every example of how Twitter, etc., is supposedly changing reporting seems to rely on EXTREMELY RARE tragedies, disasters or sensations.

I don&#039;t know about your hometown paper, but in the one I work for, almost all of what you&#039;d call &quot;breaking news&quot; (aside from the sports and arts coverage) consists of

a) Cops and courts -- situations known only to a tiny group of private, deeply interested and unreliable individuals.

b) Political actions -- city and county governments doing stuff, known only to a handful of deeply interested and unreliable people present.

c) Studies, findings and reports -- released by governments, nonprofits and businesses.

d) Pseudo-events -- announced press conferences, etc.

It&#039;s hard to imagine online-only reporting being at all reliable in (a) or (b), and it&#039;s hard to imagine it being much more effective in (c) or (d) than simply picking up the phone, firing up the Internet or going to the damn press event.

In situations like document dumps or earnings reports, many eyes can be an effective way of finding hidden gems or coming up with provocative questions.

But in almost every other local reporting situation, what&#039;s really happening is that a reporter is synthesizing facts that haven&#039;t been brought to light or widely shared, and explaining why they&#039;re important. This is not a task that crowds do well. Unless they&#039;re aided by large software programs, it&#039;s not a task crowds do at all.

Anybody who thinks floods, fires and ferry accidents are what local reporting is all about needs to look more often at his or her local newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every example of how Twitter, etc., is supposedly changing reporting seems to rely on EXTREMELY RARE tragedies, disasters or sensations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about your hometown paper, but in the one I work for, almost all of what you&#8217;d call &#8220;breaking news&#8221; (aside from the sports and arts coverage) consists of</p>
<p>a) Cops and courts &#8212; situations known only to a tiny group of private, deeply interested and unreliable individuals.</p>
<p>b) Political actions &#8212; city and county governments doing stuff, known only to a handful of deeply interested and unreliable people present.</p>
<p>c) Studies, findings and reports &#8212; released by governments, nonprofits and businesses.</p>
<p>d) Pseudo-events &#8212; announced press conferences, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine online-only reporting being at all reliable in (a) or (b), and it&#8217;s hard to imagine it being much more effective in (c) or (d) than simply picking up the phone, firing up the Internet or going to the damn press event.</p>
<p>In situations like document dumps or earnings reports, many eyes can be an effective way of finding hidden gems or coming up with provocative questions.</p>
<p>But in almost every other local reporting situation, what&#8217;s really happening is that a reporter is synthesizing facts that haven&#8217;t been brought to light or widely shared, and explaining why they&#8217;re important. This is not a task that crowds do well. Unless they&#8217;re aided by large software programs, it&#8217;s not a task crowds do at all.</p>
<p>Anybody who thinks floods, fires and ferry accidents are what local reporting is all about needs to look more often at his or her local newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Cornelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porad is only right up to a point. Firstly, the user-generated model only works for those parts of the world and those stories where the players or bystanders are networked, or where the story is being played out in a networked space. This will not work in remote places, for example. It will work less well where the players don&#039;t speak English, because this places a whole new set of burdens on your &#039;filter&#039;. There are many other examples one might think of.

Secondly, this style of filtering of UGC is a passive form of journalism. It waits for events (and only that fraction of events that are &#039;networked&#039; as above) and then starts filtering. It doesn&#039;t seek out news. It waits for what the user thinks is newsworthy. That&#039;s a big hole in the traditional model of journalism.

Thirdly, this style of &#039;journalism&#039; won&#039;t work for stories that aren&#039;t being played out in real time in some networked space. It won&#039;t work for discussion of climate change policy, for example. That requires traditional research and interviewng skills before the the journalist can then apply their filtering skills to the technical information of the experts. This is not something that you can twitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porad is only right up to a point. Firstly, the user-generated model only works for those parts of the world and those stories where the players or bystanders are networked, or where the story is being played out in a networked space. This will not work in remote places, for example. It will work less well where the players don&#8217;t speak English, because this places a whole new set of burdens on your &#8216;filter&#8217;. There are many other examples one might think of.</p>
<p>Secondly, this style of filtering of UGC is a passive form of journalism. It waits for events (and only that fraction of events that are &#8216;networked&#8217; as above) and then starts filtering. It doesn&#8217;t seek out news. It waits for what the user thinks is newsworthy. That&#8217;s a big hole in the traditional model of journalism.</p>
<p>Thirdly, this style of &#8216;journalism&#8217; won&#8217;t work for stories that aren&#8217;t being played out in real time in some networked space. It won&#8217;t work for discussion of climate change policy, for example. That requires traditional research and interviewng skills before the the journalist can then apply their filtering skills to the technical information of the experts. This is not something that you can twitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Ram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point on the cost aspects of seperating the signal from the noise. UGC isn&#039;t really &quot;free&quot;.

On another note, we need the traditional reporter simply because they do the tough work that UGC contributors generally don&#039;t.
Generally, it is the old-fashioned reporter who investigates corruption in Washington, who covers the war in Iraq, who risks his/her life in Afghanisthan, who investigates child abuse in Rwanda etc.

Of course, there are exceptions - I&#039;ve written about the &quot;twitter revolution&quot;  in Moldova, Iran  - 
However, for the most part, it does seem like we need reporters to do the really tough work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point on the cost aspects of seperating the signal from the noise. UGC isn&#8217;t really &#8220;free&#8221;.</p>
<p>On another note, we need the traditional reporter simply because they do the tough work that UGC contributors generally don&#8217;t.<br />
Generally, it is the old-fashioned reporter who investigates corruption in Washington, who covers the war in Iraq, who risks his/her life in Afghanisthan, who investigates child abuse in Rwanda etc.</p>
<p>Of course, there are exceptions &#8211; I&#8217;ve written about the &#8220;twitter revolution&#8221;  in Moldova, Iran  &#8211;<br />
However, for the most part, it does seem like we need reporters to do the really tough work.</p>
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		<title>By: jason brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porad is right - our job is shifting from sourcing to sifting.

News media seem yet to pick up on this trend. Makes me think we need to re-examine old concepts of cyberjournalism and update them for today&#039;s market.

Instead of relying mainly on sourced news, old media needs to place equal emphasise on sifted news - i.e. follow where the crowds are.

Old media pretty much ignores events like the man overboard, dismissing it as another false lead, rather than an opportunity for critiquing cyber news and providing context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porad is right &#8211; our job is shifting from sourcing to sifting.</p>
<p>News media seem yet to pick up on this trend. Makes me think we need to re-examine old concepts of cyberjournalism and update them for today&#8217;s market.</p>
<p>Instead of relying mainly on sourced news, old media needs to place equal emphasise on sifted news &#8211; i.e. follow where the crowds are.</p>
<p>Old media pretty much ignores events like the man overboard, dismissing it as another false lead, rather than an opportunity for critiquing cyber news and providing context.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Chapman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalism has always been about selection and evaluation of sources; this is nothing new. 

What a journalist needed to do is to make sense of the current story and related, previous stories, to have it all make sense to the reader. 

For example, in the WSF example from above, repeating selected tweets is like copying the daily police blotter. At some point a journalist has to ask and answer questions:

* How is the report of a person overboard made on a WSF?

* How often are there false reports of a person overboard?

* How does the report of a person overboard affect those riding the ferry? 

* How does a WSF respond to the report of a person overboard? Is the Coast Guard typically involved?

I&#039;m sure the reason why cub reporters used to start out by working the police blotter was to educate the reporter to what was happening in the city. Only then could questions be asked for journalism.

A stenographer can repeat a story. It takes a journalist to place it into context and make it understandable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalism has always been about selection and evaluation of sources; this is nothing new. </p>
<p>What a journalist needed to do is to make sense of the current story and related, previous stories, to have it all make sense to the reader. </p>
<p>For example, in the WSF example from above, repeating selected tweets is like copying the daily police blotter. At some point a journalist has to ask and answer questions:</p>
<p>* How is the report of a person overboard made on a WSF?</p>
<p>* How often are there false reports of a person overboard?</p>
<p>* How does the report of a person overboard affect those riding the ferry? </p>
<p>* How does a WSF respond to the report of a person overboard? Is the Coast Guard typically involved?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the reason why cub reporters used to start out by working the police blotter was to educate the reporter to what was happening in the city. Only then could questions be asked for journalism.</p>
<p>A stenographer can repeat a story. It takes a journalist to place it into context and make it understandable.</p>
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